GEAR!!!! What else!!!

[thepunisher]

Hello everybody, I am new to this board and fairly new to the powerlifting game in general, especially gear. but in this thread, I wanted to discuss the current gear that is out and what is really the top of the line gear and any possible new gear that is going to be made. First, this is a thread that I first checked out that talked about gear.

joeaverageboard.proboards17.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=2758

In this thread I read that a ginny phillips canvas is superior to the titan boss and the inzer leviathan, what type of carryover did people get from any of these suits and who has had compared them all?

I know the new boss suit is supposed to be pretty bad ass, is it nxg super + material or is it "boss material" if that even is a material?

The biggest comparisons i wanted to talk about for squat suits is inzer leviathan because most of the squat records and top guys use these, ginny phillips canvas, i dont know any top guys that use it, besides paul childress, and the titan boss, i also dont know a whole lot people who use this besides sam byrd and steve goggins, and lastly the ace pro squatter... but any input would be appreciated....for briefs, any input on the ace briefs, titan boss, inzer predators or any custom made ginny phillips canvas briefs which i have read about...for bench shirts, no doubt the inzer rage x, inzer super phenom, inzer super duper phenom, karin klien double denim, single and double ply katanas, f6's and furys and even the new boss shirt which is completely custom? any input for compariison and certain carryovers would be awesome, im just trying to find out what gear is on the top of the line, i know everyone is different but there should be a majority over certain gear....heres a list of gear if anyone wants to copy and paste in there post and just add comments to it would be awesome...

metal pro squatter
metal ace pro squatter
metal pro briefs
metal ace briefs
metal viking briefs
metal pro bash bench shirt
metal viking bench shirt
metal pro denim bench shirt

Karin klein double denim suits
karin klein double denim shirts
karin klein double denim briefs

ginny canvas suits (above)
ginny canvas briefs
ginny double denim bench shirts

frantz excalibur canvas squat suit(i think its actually denim!!)
I heard their denim bench shirts stink though
and their briefs are pretty good

Inzer leviathan
Inzer t-rex
inzer double ply rage x
inzer super phenom
inzer super duper phenom
inzer double denims
inzer predator briefs
inzer groove briefs

lastly, titan hahaha

boss suit
boss briefs
boss shirt (custom)
f6 bench shirt (double and single ply)
katana bench shirt (double and single ply)
some new super katana shirt?—its on ken Andersons website
fury bench shirt (double and single ply)


lastly, here is a question to think about for the future of gear...do you ever think it will be made with metal fibers or carbon fibers, with metals such as titanium or tungsten or something real strong???haha just something i was thinking about..again any input would help

[joeaverage]

Your biggest problem is going to be money. If you are a sponsored lifter then you can try out anything and everything until you find what's right. Not only the cost of buying a suit but then the cost of getting it altered.
Biggest mistake lifters make is that they send in there measurements try the gear on and give up on it because they know nothing about alterations. What ever gear you decide to buy, getting it altered properly is most important.

Second mistake lifters make is that they rely on gear to get stronger. Big mistake. Yes, gear will allow you to lift more weight and get stronger, but it's your training system that is what is most important. I haven't bought a new piece of equipment in years and I'm far stronger now especially in the squat and deadlift than ever. I continue to make gains in my Ginny canvas for reg bar squatting and my Titan BOSS for the deadlift. And am continuing my experiment with a Titan Kitana for the bench.
What has made me strong is not the gear but the training with the bands. If you are going to make any kind of investment in this sport, the first thing should be a good power rack and bands. Without the proper training equipment all the gear in the world is useless.

In my basement is a top of the line power rack bolted to a sweet deadlift platform. a shit load of bands and a top of the line bench bar, squat bar and deadlift bar.

And Mike can chime in as well, the equipment that I have and the enviroment that we lift in is most important. Your gear supplements the lifter. Too many guys focus too much on the gear. It's not the gear that is strong, it's the lifter in the gear that is strong.
I can only tell you from a drugfree perspective what has worked for me.

[mjc1021]

I don't wear gear, simply b/c I can't afford it, but Jim said it best get yourself a power rack and a full set of bands first. I consider myself an intermediate lifter and had hit 545x5 before going up to Jims. After 4 weeks I had hit 605x 7. The only thing that changed was the enviorment and my knee wraps. Get your gear and take Jims advice. Then train your ass off in it and get everything strong.

I've trained with some of the best lifters in the world at there time and the biggest mistake they would make was relying on better gear to hit bigger numbers and not developing strength.

[thepunisher]

I know I completely forgot about his thread and haven't been on here a whole hell of a lot, but I understand what you guys are saying about the gear, and trust me, I also agree that lifters should not rely on better gear to hit bigger numbers because they don't even have to get any stronger...however, I just wanted to know the opinions about the gear that was out there and how it compares to everything else, through experience (especially if some of you guys are sponsored or not) or through your lifting partners experience....the biggest thing I wanted to talk about was the titan boss (the newest one, with like 3 layers that are lamenated together) and the ginny phillips canvas, how they compare and which ones people perfer, etc, etc.....?

[mjc1021]

Jim's a big fan of both of those and I'm sure will have a lot to say about them. I can tell you that one thing they stress is wearing your gear too loose. As far as bench shirts, from what I've seen and heard from the guys Titan has a poly far superior to Inzers' but Inzer has a very good denim shirt.

[thepunisher]

Ok cool, I am looking forward to hearing what he has to say about those two, especially since those are some of the most bad ass suits the pros have and what not....hahaha yeah I was reading a thread on here about that, how the boss bench shirt that isn't out for the public is like the most diesel shirt he has seen haha, thats awesome. Yeah i hear the rage x's and the phenoms, both super and dooper stretch out real fast and get worn out, I like titan the most by far..

[joeaverage]

I use my BOSS suit for the SSB squats and deadlift and wear my Ginny for reg bar squats. My BOSS is several years old so I haven't tried the new 3 ply.
If you are just starting out, not sure where you are with your lifting, I would definitely start out in a Titan centurion for the squat and dl and the Titan Katana for the bench.
A guy just started with us, the most he did in his Inzer poly was 425 x 1, a week or so ago we put him in a Katana and he did 445 x 10. The Katana was one of the hand me downs that I got from Mazza and it fit this guy pretty well and he got a huge boost out of it.

[thepunisher]

wow, thats a crazy jump, what type of inzer poly was he using? Yeah I actually forgot to give you guys some stats, I am 20 years old been lifting about 3 years, only powerlifting for almost a year, best raw bench is 320 raw deadlift 550 and squat 475....however, I think gear is really for me because I have a used titan katana that is a size 46, I weighted 230 or 235 or so at the time, and I did 485 off a one board like a joke and just missed 500...that was only my 5th or 6th time ever being in a shirt too, I am looking forward to getting some more experience with it and buying a centurion, I am looking to buy a used centurion, an ipf approved one that would fit someone around 235-240, with big legs, I have been checking out fortified iron to see if anyones got one....I would buy a new one but I just don't have the money right now and my mom wants to know what I want for christmas so that is what I am going to tell her haha....also, Jim, you said your ginny was superior to the boss and inzer leviathan, thats awesome, you think you are going to try out a new boss anytime soon?

[joeaverage]

my current BOSS is working well and I continue to make gains. When the gains stop I may then try the new BOSS.

[thepunisher]

I hear ya, that sounds like a good plan Jim.....you have any luck with a leviathan?

[joeaverage]

wore a Leviathon once, didn't like the sides. the sides are a poly material and there is too much flex. When wearing canvas, it's most important to have the hips very snug, poly is not good for that.

[thepunisher]

oh okay I gotcha, I really think the main reason people so many others wearing the leviathan is because they are usually sponsored by inzer or the person who is sponsored gives their buddies and lifting partners the same suit haha..oh really, I didn't know that, so not so tight hips is good for a poly but tight hips is good for a canvas?

[joeaverage]

with poly it's important that the straps be tight and snug everywhere else. If the straps are just a tad loose you can lose everything off the floor. With my older BOSS that is altered perfectly I just pulled 640 x 10 with the trapbar which is another 10 pound PR.
But the main reason that I was able to do that is because of my band training.

[thepunisher]

Yeah I do really need to invest in some bands, I heard its a night and day difference, and some chains too I really need those.